Broadsword agreement?

Prepare to get sued ;D

Either the "next" send the info to EA directly (which i think it is), or it sends packets to the server (which would surprise me).
It would need to be tested (using wireshark or a traffic monitoring app).
My guess is that they will collect informations and seek those who are not playing on legal servers and sue them, i can see a game-closure-EA-pattern settling up there... xD
 
I have not updated since I saw their patch notes.
[doublepost=1470430405][/doublepost]Honestly.....sounds like someone needs to....look into the server more..
[doublepost=1470430451][/doublepost]To make sure the actual server is not collecting and auto firing off information to EA. Could even be sending off IPs to an email using a packet handler within the client itself.
 
I would love to check into this but wont be able to for a week or so.

If this really is what is happening then Broadsword is trying to get as much money as they can from anyone lol... typical shit being pulled.

They will kill of UO a lot faster because I will never ever EVER return to a shit Broadsword "Ultima Online" if you can even call it that anymore.
 
Don't worry. Broadsword will never go after individual players on private servers. Not only would it be insanely restrictive due to the hundreds (Thousands?) of different jurisdictions out there with different laws it would literally cost them more money than they could ever hope to gain. The most they would do is send cease and desist letters which can be ignored, which they probably won't even do anyway.

Perhaps they might go after server owners in the same jurisdiction as they are which I would guess would be a very low % which again would be a terrible idea as they would spend more than they would ever receive since the servers out there that might be worth suing would be ones that are on eras that are much older than the official servers. The players of these servers are not going to go to OSI if the servers are taken down, they will simply spawn their own servers or quit.

I am probably open to litigation more than anyone else since I am hosting this website and I am not worried, so you should not be too :)

Also, a question. Have these terms been in the EC before this patch? I have not used the EC since it came out and cannot remember?
 
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Agree! plus if there were no more private servers- where would they then get new ideas, because we all know and have seen our idea's suddenly used :)
 
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Also, a question. Have these terms been in the EC before this patch? I have not used the EC since it came out and cannot remember?
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That was not the enhanced client if that is what you were asking. I just logged into the 3d as usual after patching. :)
 
If they really wanted to create something unique and interesting they would change the entire model, open up UO as a client/server platform that people could use with their blessing to create new shards and ways of playing UO. Like unity3d or other open platforms. They could then charge for the access or something and actually generate and drive interest in UO as a whole. Embrace the moder community.
 
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Fail.
Haha!

*uninstalls all games*
*deletes facebook account*
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That is regarding emulating.
Apparently, if you sniff the packets sent by the program, then you're in a bad legal position ;D
 
I hate to tell everyone who disagreed with my ideology on this community, as much as I support it and respect most of you, I told you so... Roflol

Doesnt seem so silly now @Punkte does it?? Lol
 
gametec said:
I hate to tell everyone who disagreed with my ideology on this community, as much as I support it and respect most of you, I told you so... Roflol

Doesnt seem so silly now @Punkte does it?? Lol
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Not much has changed. It's the same old eula they always have had. Just now they also added it to the client as well as the installer and website.
 
More to the point having it in the actual client seems more like a warning than anything else... If they do go after people now no one has an excuse they really can get themselves out of as they would have had to read the EULA to play the game... This opens up possible litigation opportunities; especially in the United States and its annexed territories.
[doublepost=1472753736][/doublepost]As for the rest of the world, all the more power to you, but UO emulation is still a form of software piracy and those laws are upheld by anywhere international laws apply.
 
gametec said:
As for the rest of the world, all the more power to you, but UO emulation is still a form of software piracy and those laws are upheld by anywhere international laws apply.
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It's not.

Source: My lawyer (Whos firm is on retainer with multiple big gaming companies in my country)
 
I could probably come up with hundreds of legitimate links to prove what my theories as well. It makes no difference because we're all going to do what we want in regards to UO emulation anyway. The bottom line is that you, as a user of this website and others with similar interests, need to be informed of exactly what you may or may not be getting yourself into; depending on who you talk with. There will always be people like dmurphy and Punkte who will take the view that this hobby of ours is perfectly legal; despite the fact that they use EA/OSI/Mythic/Broadsword graphics, code, data resulting from the code, and the file extensions the game uses - all of which are, or were, owned by the aforementioned companies. That means that, in the United States you CAN be prosecuted if you share your modified game files with anyone or you offer up a game version that is not up, or available, on the internet through official means. It's like a pizza, a blind man can think the pepperoni tastes like vanilla ice cream, but it is still a pepperoni. Perhaps in Ireland and a few other places they can get away with this hobby legally. However in the States you're going to be hard pressed to find a judge who will see it your way.

http://www.bsa.org/anti-piracy/tools-page/software-piracy-and-the-law/?sc_lang=en-US

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/16/atoz.piracy/index.html?iref=allsearch/

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf

http://mttlr.org/2012/11/06/gaming-mods-and-copyright/

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/reproduction-right/

On a personal note: I doubt anything will happen to anyone. UO is headed to abandonware. The competion is too great for Broadsword to compete. With that said, this thread is more hype to scare the masses. With games like Fallout 4 and Titan Fall and Arch Age etc... Ultima Online is history.
 
gametec said:
I could probably come up with hundreds of legitimate links to prove what my theories as well. It makes no difference because we're all going to do what we want in regards to UO emulation anyway. The bottom line is that you, as a user of this website and others with similar interests, need to be informed of exactly what you may or may not be getting yourself into; depending on who you talk with. There will always be people like dmurphy and Punkte who will take the view that this hobby of ours is perfectly legal; despite the fact that they use EA/OSI/Mythic/Broadsword graphics, code, data resulting from the code, and the file extensions the game uses - all of which are, or were, owned by the aforementioned companies. That means that, in the United States you CAN be prosecuted if you share your modified game files with anyone or you offer up a game version that is not up, or available, on the internet through official means. It's like a pizza, a blind man can think the pepperoni tastes like vanilla ice cream, but it is still a pepperoni. Perhaps in Ireland and a few other places they can get away with this hobby legally. However in the States you're going to be hard pressed to find a judge who will see it your way.

http://www.bsa.org/anti-piracy/tools-page/software-piracy-and-the-law/?sc_lang=en-US

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/16/atoz.piracy/index.html?iref=allsearch/

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf

http://mttlr.org/2012/11/06/gaming-mods-and-copyright/

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/reproduction-right/
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What we do on this website is not illegal, nor is any of it hosted in the United States and it is definitely not piracy since we do not use any code belonging to anyone else that is not licensed.

That is right from my legal counsel, not a lay man.
 
dmurphy said:
What we do on this website is not illegal, nor is any of it hosted in the United States.

That is right from my legal counsel, not a lay man.
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Which is why you get away with it. In my country it IS illegal and as such any fellow Americans who use your website CAN be prosecuted; I am not saying they will be. :)

Anyway relax a bit, this is not a personal attack. Rather its informative and everyone should be well informed of their rights and the consequences of their choices.
 
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Which is why you get away with it. In my country it IS illegal and as such any fellow Americans who use your website CAN be prosecuted, I am not saying they will be. :)
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I wouldn't be so quick to say that it is illegal. Perhaps there is case for tort but definitely not criminality.

Liability may be owed in your jurisdiction if you create an unauthorized Ultima Online server which can lead to illegal actions such as not following a court order to take down the server or not paying damages but the act of running an Ultima Online server itself would not be illegal, at least in my rudimentary understanding of the US justice system.

If one is worried they should always seek counsel.
 
I'm agreeing to disagree since I'm pretty familiar with US laws. Running a server won't get you jailed persay, I mean it could happen if you charge for your server, but in most cases they will issue you a cease and desist letter, which is a warning, and if you persist they will fine the owner. The actual lines of criminality lie in how the EULA is worded and if they can prove the owner was profiting from the game. If this ever goes to court it will be funny to watch because the judge will throw the book at the first person to get convicted as a warning to everyone else.

Our legal system in this country is not as lax as a lot of people think. We have a lot of stupid laws people don't really know about and a lot of laws that are common. We are hard on children and often times, in Texas and Florida especially, send people as young as 11 into adult prisons. Our position is guilty until proven innocent (even though we're told the opposite) and we're the first to make examples out of those who abuse the system in any way. America isn't free, it's a false perception where it's all about who you know and money talks ;)
 
Someone shoot me.

There is nothing to worry about if you understand the laws a decent amount and you aren't charging people money to play your server (Which I have NEVER seen done in the free community)
 
dmurphy said:
What we do on this website is not illegal, nor is any of it hosted in the United States and it is definitely not piracy since we do not use any code belonging to anyone else that is not licensed.

That is right from my legal counsel, not a lay man.
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Not wading into the arguement but you got me curious. While the repo may not contain code that is protected, it is certainly dependant on files that are (mul files and uop files). Would be very curious to hear how that would pan out in a cease and desist letter. Intent is so often important to any such arguements.

I doubt the warning has anything to do with emulators and I doubt they would take any action whatsoever, but im always curious about legal issues in general.
 
Emulation is not illegal in the USA. Reverse engineering is fine in the USA. RunUO and ServUO and Trinitycore and Spigot and Bukkit and on and on are fine and perfectly legal to use just like jail breaking your cell phone is fine. In the USA.
Might violate some companies TOS and they might cancel your account over it or such but whopp di do.

Client could be an issue but unless client files are posted here they would have to go after the users (players) not the server owner or developers though. Read up on the few blizzard lawsuits over the various WOW bots and emulators... only the people blatantly making profit and can be proven to be taking it from blizzard ever got sued...
 
cmileto said:
Emulation is not illegal in the USA. Reverse engineering is fine in the USA. RunUO and ServUO and Trinitycore and Spigot and Bukkit and on and on are fine and perfectly legal to use just like jail breaking your cell phone is fine. In the USA.
Might violate some companies TOS and they might cancel your account over it or such but whopp di do.

Client could be an issue but unless client files are posted here they would have to go after the users (players) not the server owner or developers though. Read up on the few blizzard lawsuits over the various WOW bots and emulators... only the people blatantly making profit and can be proven to be taking it from blizzard ever got sued...
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Was pretty much my thought as well. Then again, America is also the place were a baker gets sued for refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple and has to pay out thousands of dollars, so...

Oh, and a burglar sues a homeowners insurance because he cut his arm breaking into the garage, and he won his lawsuit as well. So yeah, never know what the courts here are gonna do!
 
Ravenwolfe said:
Was pretty much my thought as well. Then again, America is also the place were a baker gets sued for refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple and has to pay out thousands of dollars, so...

Oh, and a burglar sues a homeowners insurance because he cut his arm breaking into the garage, and he won his lawsuit as well. So yeah, never know what the courts here are gonna do!
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Offtopic but worth noting that baker made bank over their petty mistake due to hundreds of thousands of donations well over the value of the lawsuit. Also worth noting had they just said no I cant make your cake it would have been over. It was telling them they wouldnt because they were homosexual that got them in trouble. Kinda violates rights if you refuse only due to sex, religion, color, ect. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ing-sweet-cakes-by-melissa-fundraising-120153
 
Yeah, no doubt. To be clear, that was just an example of the crazy court system here and not meant to be a judgement at all.
 
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