UltimaLive 0.98
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gametec
Diamond Supporter
Sure it might be nice but it won’t happen. This game could be entirely rewritten in 6-10 months with a dedicated team of senior level devs. It took me a long time to realize that.
This system was written by a senior level developer. It was a pet project of his, until real life got in the way. There are very few people in this community that can dance around C++
Seeing as how this community has much more of a pay to play mentality now than it did while I was an active member, I imagine someone with the skill level it would take to update this system would charge quite a bit to do so.
The problem isn’t that you are just tweaking code as most of you do on here. The issue is much more complex because you also have to understand how to write code and have it interact with the client directly.
Well that's awfully pesimistic... I mean you're not wrong about some of your points, but there's definitely been a bit of a resurgence in free code/ shard development over the past few years. There was a lot of stagnation towards the end of RunUO. RunUO had about zero post stygian abyss content, and what it did have was completely broken. Even a lot of it's pre-stygian abyss stuff was broken/inaccurate. We don't have a huge surge of third party content being made like we did in the runuo glory days, but there's certainly been a resurgence of free shard development.
gametec
Diamond Supporter
I am typing from a phone so my replies might look wonky... Anyway here it is:
Agreeably I am very pessimistic about the path the community took. There were only a handful of successful Server Owners and nearly ALL of them withholding content that could have greatly benefitted this community; all the while earning real cash off the backs of the many who coded the RunUO server emulator to begin with.
Meaning nearly half, if not more of their projects, were coded by others and given to them freely. Yet very few of these self-proclaimed legends in the community ever gave back anything other than a headache and half-arsed script snippets with zero explanation on how to use them.
[doublepost=1551079947][/doublepost]None of them gave credit where it was due and in fact took credit that wasn’t theirs to take.
[doublepost=1551080048][/doublepost]My final stand on this matter, I quietly left the community because there was no point in having a server if people aren’t consistently releasing content. However I have an answer for this too.
[doublepost=1551080262][/doublepost]I am retired, have been for over 20 years. I have lots and lots of money. With that money I am going to fund a different “game” using Ultima Online as my game model.
This means that the graphics will be similar; more like a cross between UO and Diablo III.
[doublepost=1551080443][/doublepost]Like Bethesda I will have editing tools created and they will be freely accessible. However you will only get a blank game environment on download.
In order to add content: worlds, objects, NPC, Creatures, Monsters etc... you will need to purchase a development subscription which will entitle you to game pack themes which you can tweak to make your game as original as you want.
Agreeably I am very pessimistic about the path the community took. There were only a handful of successful Server Owners and nearly ALL of them withholding content that could have greatly benefitted this community; all the while earning real cash off the backs of the many who coded the RunUO server emulator to begin with.
Meaning nearly half, if not more of their projects, were coded by others and given to them freely. Yet very few of these self-proclaimed legends in the community ever gave back anything other than a headache and half-arsed script snippets with zero explanation on how to use them.
[doublepost=1551079808][/doublepost]Now the issue here is that when approaching these guys for any help, many were met with the pay to play mentality or a holier than thou attitude with the underlying message being that the little guys in the community shouldn’t be running shards if they couldn’t code them.
[doublepost=1551079947][/doublepost]None of them gave credit where it was due and in fact took credit that wasn’t theirs to take.
[doublepost=1551080048][/doublepost]My final stand on this matter, I quietly left the community because there was no point in having a server if people aren’t consistently releasing content. However I have an answer for this too.
[doublepost=1551080262][/doublepost]I am retired, have been for over 20 years. I have lots and lots of money. With that money I am going to fund a different “game” using Ultima Online as my game model.
This means that the graphics will be similar; more like a cross between UO and Diablo III.
[doublepost=1551080443][/doublepost]Like Bethesda I will have editing tools created and they will be freely accessible. However you will only get a blank game environment on download.
In order to add content: worlds, objects, NPC, Creatures, Monsters etc... you will need to purchase a development subscription which will entitle you to game pack themes which you can tweak to make your game as original as you want.
I will agree with you that if all of the custom content is being hoarded by people looking to make a profit, that that is quite grim for the community at large; however I can't say that I particularly blame anyone for doing that either. People have Bill's to pay. I personally am just grateful that this community exists as it does and that people like tasanar and dexter contribute as much as they do for independent server owners like me.
But to your point, I would hope that anyone who takes free ware and updates it would pursue the spirit that caused that original developer to create it and post it for free in the first place.
But to your point, I would hope that anyone who takes free ware and updates it would pursue the spirit that caused that original developer to create it and post it for free in the first place.
gametec
Diamond Supporter
It’s a unity type system that will be cross platform for both PC, Console, iOS, and Android
[doublepost=1551080924][/doublepost]Agree to disagree when I say that using the UO game files and their associated official or custom clients is a direct violation of international copyright laws when you pass the game off as your own work. The only way you will get away with that as it is now is to change the file extensions of all associated files that work with the UO client, use a custom client like Orion, and then have a graphic artist convert all the graphics to custom counterparts.
[doublepost=1551080971][/doublepost]It’s easier to make a new game
[doublepost=1551080924][/doublepost]Agree to disagree when I say that using the UO game files and their associated official or custom clients is a direct violation of international copyright laws when you pass the game off as your own work. The only way you will get away with that as it is now is to change the file extensions of all associated files that work with the UO client, use a custom client like Orion, and then have a graphic artist convert all the graphics to custom counterparts.
[doublepost=1551080971][/doublepost]It’s easier to make a new game
siran
Citizen
I for one am very interested in this, gametec, and would gladly pay a reasonable amount to participate. I'm only a dabbler so far, completely self taught in C#, and really the programming itself is my hobby instead of running a shard. My friends pester me frequently about when will I have a shard ready to play but so far the development is slow due to limited time though I have never lost interest. Client side limitations have frustrated some of my ideas also.
fwiffo
Citizen
UltimaLive has been implemented, functionally by me, inside classicuo client, developed and maintained mainly by Andrea Angelini, and by many other people around the world, it is currently in a playable state, you can see more about the project in here: https://github.com/andreakarasho/ClassicUO
Please, remember that the currently most updated branch is the DEV one, so, for eventual submission, always submit them there.
you can see the developed ultimalive in CUO here: https://github.com/andreakarasho/ClassicUO/blob/master/src/IO/UltimaLive.cs
Please, remember that the currently most updated branch is the DEV one, so, for eventual submission, always submit them there.
you can see the developed ultimalive in CUO here: https://github.com/andreakarasho/ClassicUO/blob/master/src/IO/UltimaLive.cs
Hello Sir. Would you happen to know a secure site where I could find the Orion Client?
[doublepost=1551635717][/doublepost]
Also, if you'd like some assistance on making your new game more similar to UO in game mechanics, let me know and maybe I can help. I'm sure you know the game very well yourself, but the game does have MANY subtleties.
Love the smooth video.
Counselor Kinto
Citizen
Is there a way to make this work old game client that works with a uo client from 5.0.1.....how to make the new files show up with my old game client without change mass code in the engine to read from newly update files ? Me and friends are trying to get this working on a family member of mines server ...we connect pull in his custom towns and dont get kicked but the chars....are balled etc..no clothes
fwiffo
Citizen
actually you'll have to copy the igrping as per instruction, there is no reason for it to not work on your side, since it can handle also older files (I had old, small sized maps many years ago on my shard, and we updated maps only recently), actually it should handle everything without any problem.
john burns
Citizen
Looked at the Git-Hub page and see a lot of files, but not sure what to do with them. What do I need to make this work for me.
errors on MONO with servuo_pub57 after making required changes and placing files i get the following error:
vnc works without any issues before installing UL, current pixel format is set to Format32bppPArgb.. any help is much appreciated!
required changes to Tilelist.cs/Tilematrix.cs were also made, am I missing something in my UOFont.cs?
C#:
Error:
System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for 'VitaNex.Text.UOFont' threw an exception. ---> System.InvalidOperationException: Attempted to FindDataFile before DataDirectories list has been filled.
at Server.Core.FindDataFile (System.String path) [0x0000f] in <236550b6c6c647d79e459b499a6dee18>:0
at Server.Core.FindDataFile (System.String format, System.Object[] args) [0x00007] in <236550b6c6c647d79e459b499a6dee18>:0
at VitaNex.Text.UOFonts.LoadUnicode (System.Byte id) [0x00093] in <96d90253f9d945d2b2bd9bd0742f56cf>:0
at VitaNex.Text.UOFonts.GetFont (VitaNex.Text.UOEncoding enc, System.Byte id) [0x00019] in <96d90253f9d945d2b2bd9bd0742f56cf>:0
at VitaNex.Text.UOFonts.get_Item (System.Int32 id) [0x00006] in <96d90253f9d945d2b2bd9bd0742f56cf>:0
at VitaNex.Text.UOFont..cctor () [0x0003c] in <96d90253f9d945d2b2bd9bd0742f56cf>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo,object,object[],System.Exception&)
at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x0007c] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x0009a] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0
at Server.ScriptCompiler.Invoke (System.String method) [0x00092] in <236550b6c6c647d79e459b499a6dee18>:0
at Server.Core.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00633] in <236550b6c6c647d79e459b499a6dee18>:0
This exception is fatal, press return to exit
exception inside UnhandledException handler: (null) assembly:/usr/lib/mono/4.5/mscorlib.dll type:IOException member:(null)vnc works without any issues before installing UL, current pixel format is set to Format32bppPArgb.. any help is much appreciated!
required changes to Tilelist.cs/Tilematrix.cs were also made, am I missing something in my UOFont.cs?
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ShtimusMaximus
Citizen
Upon completeting the instructions and attempting to compile the server code I get this error. I tried to add ", (short)m_hue;" but it doesn't exist in the current context and there is no way I will figure out how to get it into context.
gametec
Diamond Supporter
Why even bother with this? CUO (ClassicUO) can be adapted to allow more than the 6 standard maps and then some; eventually that adaptation will become part of CUO; meaning someone will have successfully done it and the source will inevitably be leaked or shared.
Yes you can use Ultima Live with any client up to 7.0.50.10... I have tested this myself. Later clients will give you errors because Ultima Live wasn't updated to work with clients above 7.0.23.1... it is just luck that it works with clients beyond that - up to 7.0.50.10.
I have had long discussions with Praxiiz over this matter and he told me that it probably wasn't worth updating at the time of our discussions. I agreed with him because the client was going through some changes like every week it seemed at the time.
The errors you are receiving are command errors from Ultima Live. You can either code the commands to work with the latest client and ServUO (which I don't believe was ever truly compatible with Ultima Live as Ultima Live was made for RunUO 2.x), or you could try to delete the commands or comment them out from the code and see if the compile works. Ultima Live does not need command input to add worlds to the server. It only needs command input to edit those worlds from in-game real-time. I hope this sheds some light on the server not compiling.
You can however use CentrED to edit the worlds as needed. This program really makes the commands in Ultima Live nonsensical.
Yes you can use Ultima Live with any client up to 7.0.50.10... I have tested this myself. Later clients will give you errors because Ultima Live wasn't updated to work with clients above 7.0.23.1... it is just luck that it works with clients beyond that - up to 7.0.50.10.
I have had long discussions with Praxiiz over this matter and he told me that it probably wasn't worth updating at the time of our discussions. I agreed with him because the client was going through some changes like every week it seemed at the time.
The errors you are receiving are command errors from Ultima Live. You can either code the commands to work with the latest client and ServUO (which I don't believe was ever truly compatible with Ultima Live as Ultima Live was made for RunUO 2.x), or you could try to delete the commands or comment them out from the code and see if the compile works. Ultima Live does not need command input to add worlds to the server. It only needs command input to edit those worlds from in-game real-time. I hope this sheds some light on the server not compiling.
You can however use CentrED to edit the worlds as needed. This program really makes the commands in Ultima Live nonsensical.
ShtimusMaximus
Citizen
I didn't think to comment out lines of server code haha. I'll give it a go.
As for the reason why I want it... Essentially it will make in-game world editing easier. I prefer in-game world building over centered as you can walk around and experience it as you go (with anyone looking at it auto updating their client) while with centered you are not able to walk around and experience it until after you save and upload maps to server and clients.
I technically just want it to be able to stream my edit to players and be able to use an in-game command to tweak the smoothness of the ground in some places so its not so flat... that's it. Not really to worried about more than 6 maps atm. Also I just found OrionUO and find that client superior to ClassicUO atm due to the fact that ClassicUO routinely crashes to invisible stuff on my server while OrionUO does not.
gametec
Diamond Supporter
If you aren't C++ savvy then I would suggest you stick to ClassicUO as OrionUO is not being updated, as far as I know this is indefinite. ClassicUO is more updated than OrionUO was, in my opinion, and its completely open-source whereas OrionUO wasn't 100% open source; the client was, but the .dll wasn't. My only preference to ClassicUO is that I have been putting money toward it and also it is C# so if I want to edit it, I know that I can with little uncertainty.
HELLO I AM HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THE MAP STREAMING TO SHOW THE FOG OF WAR ASPECT. sorry i just realized capslock.. dammit.. forgive me please.. i have been fiddling with this for days. most of it works great! just need a little guidance on the map streaming fog of war, i wonder we have a world map in the client. could that be thowing it off, i noticed i dont have the appdata file appearing eaither, i set dll to system, im gona try admin next
thank you for any help.
thank you for any help.